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OneBadGMC 08-13-2009 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by JEFF69Z28

Originally Posted by OneBadGMC
It doesn't matter where it's pointing, so long as you can get the cap orientated where #1 is #1.

Standard, as I was taught, is to try and point the rotor at #1 when it's on #1.

In reality, the thing can be pointing at #5, so long as #1 is in the #5 position on the cap.

Know what I'm saying???

You've also not given us enough information on the motor. Alky/gas? Compression? Spark Plug Gap? N/A? Nitrous? Blower/Turbo? What ignition system? Mechanical Advance? Vacuum advance?

GAS MOTOR,11.5 COMP,45 GAP,NO POWER ADDERS,MSD 85551 DIST.MSD BLASTER SS COIL,MSD 6AL2 BOX,DIST.IS LOCKED OUT.

Whats the inside of the cap look like? Is there any carbon tracing inside? Carbon tracing will look like someone took a lead pencil to the cap.

Whats the rotor look like? Is the tip eaten away at all? What about the posts on the inside of the cap? Do they have any grooves in them? Is the spring on the rotor making good contact with the center post on the cap?

It sounds to me like spark is either being cross fired from carbon tracking, or it's not jumping the gap at all due to weak spark.

So, it could be...

Weak Coil
6AL box is firing
Carbon inside the cap
Rotor to cap connection isn't sufficient.

Just speculation though.

Tod74 08-13-2009 03:59 PM

I have mine locked out and I never have to touch the timing once the distributor is in, although I do check it with a light. I put the balancer at exactly 38 deg btdc and put the distributor in with the rotor pointed exactly at the #! plug post...If I need to I turn the oil pump with a screwdriver. It has always been on the money when I start it and put a light on it. This only works with the advance locked out.

kwkracing 08-13-2009 07:08 PM

i think your timings off from what you think it is or theres another issue

cepx111 08-13-2009 08:42 PM

I'd re-gap the plugs to no wider than .032 and try again.
JMO>Cp

JEFF69Z28 08-14-2009 01:42 AM


Originally Posted by cepx111
I'd re-gap the plugs to no wider than .032 and try again.
JMO>Cp

I THOUGHT OF THAT,BUT MSD SAID 45 TO 50,WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON OF A SMALLER GAP?

JEFF69Z28 08-14-2009 01:43 AM


Originally Posted by OneBadGMC

Originally Posted by JEFF69Z28

Originally Posted by OneBadGMC
It doesn't matter where it's pointing, so long as you can get the cap orientated where #1 is #1.

Standard, as I was taught, is to try and point the rotor at #1 when it's on #1.

In reality, the thing can be pointing at #5, so long as #1 is in the #5 position on the cap.

Know what I'm saying???

You've also not given us enough information on the motor. Alky/gas? Compression? Spark Plug Gap? N/A? Nitrous? Blower/Turbo? What ignition system? Mechanical Advance? Vacuum advance?

GAS MOTOR,11.5 COMP,45 GAP,NO POWER ADDERS,MSD 85551 DIST.MSD BLASTER SS COIL,MSD 6AL2 BOX,DIST.IS LOCKED OUT.

Whats the inside of the cap look like? Is there any carbon tracing inside? Carbon tracing will look like someone took a lead pencil to the cap.

Whats the rotor look like? Is the tip eaten away at all? What about the posts on the inside of the cap? Do they have any grooves in them? Is the spring on the rotor making good contact with the center post on the cap?

It sounds to me like spark is either being cross fired from carbon tracking, or it's not jumping the gap at all due to weak spark.

So, it could be...

Weak Coil
6AL box is firing
Carbon inside the cap
Rotor to cap connection isn't sufficient.

Just speculation though.

I HAVE NEVER THOUGHT OF CHECKING THE CAP AND ROTOR.IT HAS BEEN ON THERE FOR 2 YEARS NOW.

JEFF69Z28 08-14-2009 01:46 AM


Originally Posted by montecarlo84
is the blancer on the money,if it is a two peice it can slide,just a thought.

or a valve to tight?

1 PIECE ATI BALANCER

johnracer 08-14-2009 03:55 AM

A few more ideas if the cap & rotor check out: rotor phasing way off or if you have a bronze dist gear, it may be worn out.........

Tod74 08-14-2009 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by JEFF69Z28

Originally Posted by cepx111
I'd re-gap the plugs to no wider than .032 and try again.
JMO>Cp

I THOUGHT OF THAT,BUT MSD SAID 45 TO 50,WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON OF A SMALLER GAP?

High cylinder pressure can "blow out" the spark if the gap is too large....maybe a poor way of wording it.

JEFF69Z28 08-14-2009 04:14 AM


Originally Posted by johnracer
A few more ideas if the cap & rotor check out: rotor phasing way off or if you have a bronze dist gear, it may be worn out.........

GEAR IS NEW, BUT I CHECKED IT WHEN I HAD THE DIST. OUT AND IT LOOKED GOOD.IM GOING TO RACE IT TONIGHT AFTER I INSTALL NEW PLUGS AND CAP&ROTOR.


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