That'd be the thing to do ! FIND an attorney who HAS had a 'FRAM EXPERIENCE', load him / her up with personal and documented stories and let 'er rip.

GEE whatever happened to pay me now or pay me later!!!! remember that commercial in the 70s... :)

What state allows lawyers in small claims court? did you have the filter as evidence? Bill

That is way sad. A common American cannot get compensated when screwd & has to have a lawyer to even have a case??? That is BS!! Well, you have us... word of mouth between us all is pretty damaging too. Here is one thing we should all do....

Let's find out the contact info for FRAM (maybe the president/CEO) & all e-mail the pricks individually. We should explain any defects we have had, and what we plan on doing in the future in reagrds to FRAM. We can tell them that we will tell the world that they do not back up their product, do not take resonsibility, we will no longer buy them, & we will tell everyone we know in the automotive world. We should make a post soon & start e-mailing them right away. This is wrong!!!

So if I understand correctly, if you would have had a lawyer represent you, you would have won the case??? Man, that is wrong.

The Judge in know uncertain terms said I should have a Lawyer representing me. I just felt I didn't have the extra $$$'s it would take to hire a lawyer and then still have the chance of losing anyway. I live in Ohio so I don't really know what the rules are when it comes to small claims in other states. I thought I would have a fare chance in small claims . I guess not! It's the same old stuff the HUGE corporation screws the little guy!!! I think we should get our own campaign together and go to all of the race tracks and show everyone what can happen to their motors if they use Fram filters!!! I know that I may have used the wrong filter but I think its not about that as much as it is about their misleading advertising.The box has the NHRA logo and they don't say anything anywhere that their standard oil filters can't or shouldn't be used on a HP motor. That is misleading!!!!!!

Kentucky, I can't say about the others...

I think most judges (or at least the ones I have dealt with) take offense to the average Joe presenting his case. I get the impression that their attitude is if you're going to present your case (in HIS courtroom) you need to know everything about courtroom procedure and the law. I had to take a car lot to small claims court and my lawyer told me I should just present my case without his help, that it would be a slam dunk. I didn't feel good about doing that and talked him into going with me. I won and I know it sounds cliche' but it was about principle and not a matter of spending anything I would collect on legal fees. It sure felt good.

I don't think it matters if it was used on a hp application. The problems I have ran into with them was on stock daily drivers.

alternate to fram
 

we have used system 1 filters on race equipment with great results, 70 wt oil 120-140 lbs, can be cleaned in solvent, just replace the o rings, and you can see if the engine is making any kind of trash maybe before it is too late.. :)

No Fram Filters.
 

I totally agree with tazracing. The 51061R is the right filter for racing as far as spin on paper filters are concerned. Engine builders such as Huntsville Engines and others recommend this one.

It is a wix filter (this is the NAPA number). If you have your NAPA guy look it up for you in their filter book, it says that it is designed for use in engines that are using high volume oil pumps - flows more. I have seen them somewhere on line for as little as $12+. A very good insurance policy.

No Fram Filters.
 

This forum and others like it will get Fram what they deserve for not responding to their problems. Let everybody know and keep replying until Fram has had enough. Someone should have a decal made up that says Fram filters with the circle that has a line across it and all of you that have experienced this problem should put them on your race cars, trailers, etc. It will likely (hopefully) draw media attention. It would be cheaper than and more effective than a lawyer.

Lastfbody-

I am w/ you this one!! I like the sticker idea too. Does that Wix # work well on a remote spin on as well?? I would like to try it... I have been using a K & N.

Hey fellas...... Great idea about the sticker thing! I am going to look into getting some made. I'll let you guys know when I find out something. If I can get them made cheap enough I'll give everyone one that wants one. Maybe just get a little something for shipping.

Their is more than one way to skin a cat!

Thx Stan

It's called FRAM for a reason. Use it and your motor will FRAM!

Just a simple decal that has an X through Fram and says "Friends don't let friends use FRAM"

I know let's see who can come up with the best acronym. I'll start
Fries
Rings
And
Mains

FRAM
RUINS
ALL
MOTORS
:oops:

I should have made it.
Fries
Rods
And
Mains

LMAO..... good one.

Man thoughs are great ! I was thinking of a bright orange oil filter with fram in black and a big circle around it with a slash through it and maybe below that something that says don't use fram filters ask me why. Simple but to the point. What do you think?

Stan

no more for me
 

:) :?: hey Bad I have a automotive buss and use fram and other filters as well, I would not say Ive had a problem with fram but if they wont help you. well! I,m going to show this to my parts rep. and make shure that he contacts fram and they have responded to him. I will not use a fram product until you are treated fairly. and anyone else who has a automotive buss that use,s filters, air, oil, fuel,crank case filter, pcvs etc. stop useing fram and ill guarantee they will do something. did you get the oil filter back from fram.rob

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Re: no more for me
 

ALL I'LL SAY IS KEEP USING FRAM FILTERS AND YOU WILL FIND A GOOD ONE THAT WILL FRAM YOUR MOTOR! LOL! Good thing you stopped when you did.

F orever
Ruin
A
Motor

Forget
Racing
Any
More 8)

Hi robsbird, Thanks for your support! I did get the filter that failed back from Fram. I guess you read the rest of this thread. I did go to court and took the filter with me as well as a new Fram and a Wix both cut apart so I could show the judge. If you get a chance to cut those filters apart do, you will be amazed at the diff in the two! The Fram is a peice of Crap! It looks like its made from carboard. After seeing that I wouldn't run the Fram filter on my lawnmower! It really didn't make any diff the judge would'nt rule in my favor because I did'nt present my case as well. It was small claims court and I thought I would have a better and fare chance because it was small claims , I guess not! The judge did say if it was up to him based on his heart he would have ruled in my favor? Well that sure didn't help me recoup some of the $4-5,000 lose I have because of the FRAM filter failture!

had the same issue on my new 406 had a "F---" on it and after second start oil pressure was 20 psi and stayed there. when i first started it it was 65 psi. put a napa 1060 on it went right back to 65. thanks for the comments about "F---" I WILL NEVER USE ONE AGAIN AND I AM TELLING EVERYONE I RACE WITH AND KNOW ABOUT THERE PROBLEMS

FRAM

F-FREQUENT
R-REBUILD'S
A-AND
M-MONEY

F: Further

R: Raping

A: All

M: Motors

F-ragging
R-aping
A-nd
M-utilating

Sounds like our Government :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

I owned an automotive shop for several years.About ninety percent of the engines that came to the shop for rebuilds had Fram filters on them.One of my friends brought his truck in because of no oil pressure(Fram filter) Crank,Rods and Mains were fried.I took the filter apart and there was no element or check valve inside.Only thing was the can and a loose spring inside it.
I put a sign up alerting customers about Fram filters.I had three customers who swore by them and told me they didn't think they were that bad.I ask them to take a trip with me and they agreed.So i took the next day off and closed the shop.We visited salvage yards in a 250 mile radius.We counted engines in their scrap engine piles and noted the filters on each.Then we went to their good engine storage area and noted all the engines and filter type.We counted over 700 scrap engines,All but 6 had Fram filters.We counted over 1,100 good engines only 2 had Fram filters.
Needless to say,They were convinced.When we got back to my shop one of the guy's opened his storage box on his truck and took out 6 Fram filters and threw them in my trash can and looked at me and said "I had no idea.No more of these for me"!

Fram Filters :x

F: Felt

R: Robbed

A: And

M: Molested

OFFICIAL FILTER OF THE NHRA :shock: :shock: WHAT A BAD JOKE!!

N H R A :( :( WHAT A BAD JOKE :!:

Fram junk! I have an endouro car with a350 and HV oil pump, After 54 laps, I noticed the oil pressure dropping. If I let out of the throttle, Oil pressure would go up 5 more psi. If I get back in the throttle, the oil pressure would go down 5 psi. I had 60 psi at the start of the race. I almost pulled the motor condemning the crank, but instead changed the filter and 65 PSI WAS BACK! I cut the old filter open and found the inside was ruptured! Fram almost cost me time and $$$$, But after reading this posting I got away easy. Thanks to you all who commented on this topic!!! :D :D :D

It's just too bad nobody from Fram reads this! Maybe we could start a Class Action Lawsuit. In a Class Action suite we wouldn't get much, but it would cost Fram a ton and it would become public knowledge which is the main thing anyway.

I think Fram knows their is a problem with their filters they just know if they admit in court or any where else they would open themselves up to a pool of people that would come back claiming that Fram was the cause of a huge amount of motor failures. So it's deny,deny,deny. It's better than paying who knows how much in damages? I do agree that a class action law suit would be the way to go. Not to mention if this gets out the people that won't have to go through what I and many others have gone through because of these piece of crap filters!!!! Do we have a lawyer on the boards that would take this on ??? Most likely not ...... They don't like to get their hands dirty or should I say Greasy! I do hope that by me posting this I have saved some guys from the expense I had to deal with.

Thx Stan

I have an Uncle that runs circle track and that's all he will use...I have mentioned the bad reputation and he says he has ran em for years with no trouble.... :? I hope he don't become the next victim.

yea fram is the worst oil filter ive seen. they suck at filtering ur oil and most ive seen leak no matter how good u put them on and there usualy hard as hell to get off. the gaskets also fall of alot when ur putting them on wich some people dont pay attention to and spray there oil out everywhere. fram sucks!!!!!

DIRKA , READ THIS THREAD.BACK TO THE TOP

This is one way to get someone to read a thread. :lol: :lol:

Forget
Rebuilding
Another
Motor

Replace it with a ......

Wins
In all
Xtremes


I have used Fram for 15 yrs never had a prob with them. But from what I read I think I am with everybody else and going to a diff brand. I seen a Fram and Wix I believe cut apart and they were very diff. I hsould have changed then.