CSR vrs Meziere
 

Whats a better water pump, CSR or Meziere. Ive had a CSR w/ no problems but someone told me the Meziere was better for whatever reason I dont remeber. Even down to which one holds there anodizing better. I had a blue one but now I want a Red one which would fade faster.

Craig

So you had a "CSR with no problems" and your thinking about changing because someone said so.
Why would you do that? Like they say don't fix it if it aint broke.
One is as good as the other. IMO :D

CSR water pumps are 37GPM and the Meziere has one that is 55GPM for about $100 More. Ron612

But if the 37 gal is cooling the car fine ,why would you spend the extra 100? :shock:

Agreed. I have a CSR and have never had any problems...I had a remote Meziere on my old FED and again, no problems.
Johnny

Hey Craig, the new ride looks good. I'm running a red CSR. It's just a year old works great still lokks good.

i'm with these guys stay with the CSR i've never had any problems with them. and they recommend at 3500 hours or 50,000 miles of every day use, the motor should be replaced.

My CSR is a POS .. it started making noise this year, I called to get a replacement motor, every shop I called said 3 weeks ouch !! But if you call CSR you can get one right away only cost more money then from Jegs, Summit,Motorstate grr

My water fill neck (csr) is also leaking .. they'd never seen one leak, a buddy has a brand new one leaks same spot, he called .. they had never seen one leak.

When this thing finally goes I will be replacing with a Meziere

yea, leave this thread here long enough and there will be someone with a meziere that is a POS !! :roll:
Same thing with Ford,Chevy,etc,etc.

this same csr vs meziere chat is going on over on yb right now also ... there is several post of csr issues.

Thanks for all the input guys. This is exzactly what i was looking for. I know some guys like brand A, and some brand B. Granted I havent had a problem in the 3 yrs running a CSR buy just looking for some info as to whether or no to buy another one.
Please keep it comeing

Craig

this same csr vs meziere chat is going on over on yb right now also ... there is several post of csr issues.

So get a Meziere!!! :D

My CSR is 3 seasons old with no problems so far. May fly all to pieces next time I turn it on, but I will get another one.

I know you have seen stock Chevy/Ford/ whatever last for years and years AND others start leaking before the first oil change. That is my point.
Now I'm done with it 8)

CSR makes a high volume pump like Meziere

Dave,
My water filler neck was leaking this year too. I went to a 34 pound cap and that solved the problem.

We have both... the csr came free... Ill use it.. as for buying a new one??? The Meziere family are wonderfull people,and long time racers, with are GREAT product. I would never buy anything else. best products weve ever used. Unsurpassed product support. Dont even get me started talking about there new starter...wow... awsome... At least give them a call directly.. see who your dealing with.. Just my opinion...thanks

sounds like a vendetta that hammertime has with the csr's.. But I've been running them on every car I've ever raced and haven't had a bit of trouble, matter of fact we ran one for 4 years on a car that had it on it when we bought it, and when we sold the car, it was still running.. Just saying I've never had a problem, and if I did jeg's would take it right back on warranty and ship a new one the next day! haha I love jegs..

~Matt

[quote="kod99"]Dave,
My water filler neck was leaking this year too. I went to a 34 pound cap and that solved the problem.

How could that posably be ?

your right Matt .. I wanted to have a "vendetta" so bad, I made my filler neck leak and my water pump need a motor .... my wallet must think the samething .. I have a "vendetta" ask it also, I have to having to take money out of it to fix them issues

:roll: :roll: :roll: :!: :arrow: :!:

David, I didn't say you "wanted" to have a vendetta with them sir, and I'm not going to get into a 'posting battle' with you either. You know as well as I do that any drag racing car is going to require maintenance, including water pumps, whether it has a csr or meziere it. You might be the unlucky guy that got the one lemon out of a hundred and that sucks, but that's the way it sometimes goes, unfortunately.

Maybe you missed that part ;)

I agree everyone has issues but its how they want to take care of them is what makes a place stand apart ... CSR motors were not to be had from anyone for 2-3weeks but they had plenty on the shelf, whats that tell ya ?!?! It tells me they want you to buy from them only

You know I was trying to be sympathetic towards you, but you are obviously irrational and unable to be reasoned with. Have you ever dealt with msd? They are the only people who can fix there ignition boxes, are you going to try to find another manufacturer for that as well if it has to be repaired? The point is a company is obviously made to do one thing, and that is make money. They cut out the middle man and they make more profit, is there something wrong with that!?!?

Matt

He is trying to get a simple 12v replacement motor that Meziere will apparently not let stocking distributors put in stock.
MSD is a totally different animal with diods, transisters, circuit boards, etc. Once they do it it's as dependible as a new one for 1/2 price.
JMO, Dave

Agreed Dave! I probably went a smidge to far for oversimplification there. Great debate, since people are like this in everything whether its mustang vs. camaro, hardtail vs. fourlink etc.. Both sides always think they are right I guess..

I have used both with no problems,but recently I had to send back some CSR stuff because the threads were out of pitch and fittings would not screw on

CSR IS Cheap Junk-Impossible To Get Good Customer Service
 

CSR or Meziere?
CSR is crap. when i had a problem their customer service was terrible.
i threw out the csr product and went to Meziere. Meziere was great! the product and tech support was outstanding!
people who cant afford the best or don't want to spend for the best will buy the crap. then they will justify their poor decision by claiming its just as good. just don't fall for the poor decision makers propaganda. BUY THE BEST AND MOVE ON TO OTHER ISSUES INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME WITH GARBAGE LIKE CSR.

Just curious, will the motor on the Meziere # WP1365 ($190) fit their 300 series pumps ($400)? Maybe a cheaper fix..........
Dave

we sell 40 to 50 csr pumps a week & ship this worldwide with 0 problems, david is great with tech help at csr or if you have any problems, we stock over 450 pumps, bottom line.... they work thanks much, r d racing inc

richiedd, the dd must stand for dumb and dumber. CSR IS JUNK. THEY SUCK. they bail out on you when thier garbage fails.

I do not see where the " dumb and dumber" is nesassary over a water pump . State your opinion and let it be. Every one saw that you dont like CSR it was on at least 3 seperate posts. Guess there are many that fall in the dumb catagory including myself. Because i have a CSR that works great and also have had a Meziere that worked great.

THANKS AJK, WOW WHAT A DICK HEAD THIS GUY IS, HE HAS NO CLUE WHO WE ARE & CANT READ VERY WELL, 1 YEAR WARRANTY THERE GREAT PUMPS

CSR is so good, I called yesterday to send my leaky filler neck down. The answer back

" sorry we stopped fixing them and went to a threaded style"

I say ok what can I do with it then, as its leaking and is only a few years old.

"I can sell you a new one but thats it"


sounds like a real stand up company to me ...

I must say, I agree w/ Hammer on this. I work in manufacturing. If I have a dealer who needs me to take care of something, it is worth my time to do so... even if it is 1 or 2 years old. Reason: why piss off a customer/dealer for possibly LIFE if I do not take some kind of action??? Do the math, it's pretty easy. A defect is an OPPORTUNITY in the rough. Make it right, you just gained some genuine loyalty from more than one person. Now if you dig in your heals, say things like: "I can't do anything for you, it is too old" "It is normal wear & tear, I am sorry"... BLAH BLAH BLAH. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. Do you really think CSR will get the next sale from a guy who has a defective CSR pump?? of coarse not!!! that guy will buy someone else's pump & tell everyone how CSR does buisness... in the shop, at the garage, at the track, on the internet, etc.... not good when all CSR had to do was offer some help. How much would it have cost CSR??? worse case, cost on a new pump & they had a customer for life, who now promotes/advertises for CSR to all of his/her peers.

Think about what Hammer said: CSR admitted they changed part of the pump (which was undoubtedly inferior) & at the same time, CSR told him they would not back up their flawed design. (they are tired of fixing them) Oh, by the way.... you can buy our new one for full price. No thanks. JMO.

Ever notice how some threads just refuse to die? I guess since this one of those, I'll throw my 2 cents worth out there:
First, I have had CSR pumps on three different engines of my own, and built several engines for other people with them over the past 15 years and have never had a problem. I'm sure, just like every other manufacturer out there, they've had some bad ones.
Second, if I had a component like a water pump, fuel pump, electronics, and the like that failed within a few months after purchase, I'd expect the manufacturer to take care of it. Most would. However, if it failed 2 years later, I wouldn't even consider calling them. I've used it for 2 years, how could it possibly be a manufacturing problem.........I'd just buy a new one, and not be a cry baby.
As far as any business kissing ass to keep a customer, that's crap! Good customers are just that. If they require constant stroking to keep them coming back, they aren't good customers and they'll go elsewhere if they don't get their way.....
Precisely the problem with our society, it's always someone else's fault, something for nothing, and someone has to pay and make me rich because I'm stupid........blah blah blah.
Grow up, accept responsibility for yourself and your actions, realize that accidents happen and shouldn't make anyone a millionair, and get over it...
Johnny

ps: I just fell off my soapbox and think I'll sue.....

I surely wasnt wanting them to fix it for free... I was wanting to PAY them to fix the issue of it leaking. so yes I will be a cry baby about a product that was junk from the get go and they now finally admit it .. and refuse to even fix them...

I wish I had money like you to throw away every 2 years on parts (must be nice to be loaded) really whats wrong with the world is jerkoffs like you who'd rather take it in the rear then man up and say something to the company about a product you spent a few hundred dollars on that dont even last 2 yrs

I am done with this topic as anyone can see ... they did NOT want to fix THEIR prodouct ... and I quote "its a epoxy and we dont fix them because they will leak again but I'll send you a new one with a different design"

sounds like a company we should all spend money with ... :roll:

I'm glad you were willing to pay and didn't expect it for free. Certainly didn't get that from your post. Many people aren't.
As far as being loaded goes, I wish! I'm just a regular guy with a regular job, a VERY understanding wife, no toys other than my race car, a small/1300 sq ft house, and a car that cost more than my annual salary. Many used/ebay/racingjunk parts on it, and good friends and I usually use parts till their about done. Roughly 60k in the whole deal.
Maybe I am a jerkoff for not being willing to "man up" about a parts failure after several years of use in am extreme environment. It just seems unreasonable to me. Maybe my expectations aren't high enough?
Who knows.
I deal with people every day who will blame that leaking pinion seal on me after I change the spark plugs and worse. After all, it wasn't doing that when they brought it in....... :roll: Yesterday was especially bad.
Sorry, I had a moment,
Johnny

Well guys... there is a balance to everything. Being in manufacturing (one of the few USA manufacturers left)... us companies need to take care of their customers. I strongly disagree John. Don't complain when you have less & less options to buy in the USA for parts on your car. Believe me, you don't have to "Kiss Ass" to any customers; they will just buy from a reverse engineered Chinese outlet instead; for half price. When this happens, you can blame our society/Americans for that too. After all, we are becoming a service industry here now more & more. Like I said, do the math genius.... take care of the customer now or suffer the consequences of your reputation ten-fold later!! The facts: 1. the pump was leaking (defective). 2. CSR said take a flying leap- buy a new one from us. 3. They admitted they were tired of fixing their own design flaw... these are the simple facts I read & that is my opinion. The fact that you had a bad day & are BUTT HURT that some customer blamed you for an unrelated issue is not even apples to apples of what is being discussed here.

I could care less if you do not share my opinion, but at least respect that everyone could see things a little differently than you.

Fair enough....

I hope you guys don't mind if I weigh in on this topic. Seems to me they could have offered a new pump at a discount and all parties would be satisfied.

X2.

to bad that wasnt offered

I was speaking of my csr filler neck also ...

my water pump is getting replaced next time it breaks, I wont even try it again.