Like Glenn says, don't waste your time and breath on diehard libs and 'O' lovers, they will only 'change' on their own if at all. Moderates, fence sitters and undecideds are who we need to bring into CIVIL discourse and EDUCATE them on the Progressive movement which is working hand in hand with radical Islam to 'change'( DESTROY) AMERICA. You cannot change people's minds overnight, but we CAN plant seeds.