Chinese look a like Little-M block
08-22-2009, 05:26 AM
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I see this block on EBAY as a Procomp block which looks just like the one I have for 999.00 and no one bid on it HMMMMMM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...fvi%3D1&_rdc=1
This one is on Racing Junk for 1100.00 and they have 21 of them for sale.
http://www.racingjunk.com/category/1...350-MAINS.html
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...fvi%3D1&_rdc=1
This one is on Racing Junk for 1100.00 and they have 21 of them for sale.
http://www.racingjunk.com/category/1...350-MAINS.html
08-22-2009, 06:01 AM
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Re: I'm ordering mine
Originally Posted by heshtesh
Just got off the phone with PBM and i'm ordering a new block for my new 434ci.. In my opinion the block that Hink is dealing with is in no manner a PBM block, one of the most glaring reasons being on the pan rail opposite the oil filter they have the PBM logo cast into the block as well as cast into all the main caps also when bored out to 4.185 the Dart states the cylinders will still be .230 thick and the PBM .250 my reasoning the PBM might be a slightly stouter piece. One line of reasoning i can't get away from is the fact i find it hard to believe PBM is going to risk thier reputation to bring a piece of junk to market,let's face it in the age of the internet it does'nt take long for junk to be exposed for what it is.PS the block is 1825.00.
08-22-2009, 06:39 AM
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Chinese look a like Little M block
There is one of our members in Monee Illinois that sells Little M blocks for real resonable price. I bought one, am using it, have never seen one advertised cheaper and he is within my driving range to pick up.
I bought Pro Comp BBC valve covers and they were 1/4" short in length and would not hold a gasket without leaking. I don't think I would buy a PRO COMP Chinese block or heads after that.
I bought Pro Comp BBC valve covers and they were 1/4" short in length and would not hold a gasket without leaking. I don't think I would buy a PRO COMP Chinese block or heads after that.
08-22-2009, 09:36 AM
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You know guy's i appreciate the way your looking at this but did'nt someone have to buy the first Dart block in order to gain it's reputation. Where i live a lot of the guy's use PBM parts in thier dirt cars some turning a little over 9 grand sometimes with no quality or durability issues. Life's full of chances and if this piece is what they say it is i think it might prove to be a more stout piece than the Dart. Being a Manufacturer myself i would'nt risk my reputation that i could put a part on market prematuely and i don't think PBM would either. You know if the piece doe's turn out to be what it is indicated to be it could be a hell of a bargain. I like that all 5 mains are 4 bolt and i like the steel main caps and the fact the cylinder walls are a little thicker as i'm building a super charged engine. Sometimes you have to take the leap of faith in life, here go's
08-22-2009, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by heshtesh
You know guy's i appreciate the way your looking at this but did'nt someone have to buy the first Dart block in order to gain it's reputation. Where i live a lot of the guy's use PBM parts in thier dirt cars some turning a little over 9 grand sometimes with no quality or durability issues. Life's full of chances and if this piece is what they say it is i think it might prove to be a more stout piece than the Dart. Being a Manufacturer myself i would'nt risk my reputation that i could put a part on market prematuely and i don't think PBM would either. You know if the piece doe's turn out to be what it is indicated to be it could be a hell of a bargain. I like that all 5 mains are 4 bolt and i like the steel main caps and the fact the cylinder walls are a little thicker as i'm building a super charged engine. Sometimes you have to take the leap of faith in life, here go's
08-22-2009, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by boostaddict
Originally Posted by hink
Carl,
I post on speedtalk, but haven't about this subject.
I have read & reread your post. I will quote you:
"I beleive PBM is selling them with there name on them!!"
Again I would ask, why slander PBM & Wheeler until you know for a fact that they are guilty of what you are accusing them of doing???
I post on speedtalk, but haven't about this subject.
I have read & reread your post. I will quote you:
"I beleive PBM is selling them with there name on them!!"
Again I would ask, why slander PBM & Wheeler until you know for a fact that they are guilty of what you are accusing them of doing???
Again Mr low poster this again is my quote
"I beleive PBM is selling them with there name on them!!"
So don't put words in my mouth
And if you have read all my posts you will see I have never seen a PBM block to compare against.
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08-22-2009, 11:03 AM
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DirkaDirka: I agree with you 100% thier are a lot of scum bags out there so it comes down to a matter of trust. The way i see it it's the same as buying a set of JE pistons or a Jesel valve train it is a matter of trusting who you are dealing with.
08-22-2009, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by boostaddict
Originally Posted by boostaddict
Originally Posted by hink
Carl,
I post on speedtalk, but haven't about this subject.
I have read & reread your post. I will quote you:
"I beleive PBM is selling them with there name on them!!"
Again I would ask, why slander PBM & Wheeler until you know for a fact that they are guilty of what you are accusing them of doing???
I post on speedtalk, but haven't about this subject.
I have read & reread your post. I will quote you:
"I beleive PBM is selling them with there name on them!!"
Again I would ask, why slander PBM & Wheeler until you know for a fact that they are guilty of what you are accusing them of doing???
Again Mr low poster this again is my quote
"I beleive PBM is selling them with there name on them!!"
So don't put words in my mouth
And if you have read all my posts you will see I have never seen a PBM block to compare against.
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AGAIN I HAVE NOTHING BUT ONLY HERE SAY TO COAMPARE AGAINST RIGHT NOW, If a PBM block shows up here I will post pics of the 2 blocks and every one can make their on decision if they are the same blocks or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope when I get a PBM block I have not been lied to about their block not being the same.
Dick Boyer has been asked many times where is this block coming from and who's is machining the castings and no answers so far. And I am very curious myself.
I BELIEVE you are the same poster on speed talk forum yesterday and you didn't get far over there did you and here are some of the quotes from some guys over their.
Originally Posted by machine shop tom
Originally Posted by ShortyThePimp
It is funny that in the begining Carl (CNC BLOCKS) states that he has a PBM block in the shop. And then a in a later post he says he has not yet had the PBM block in his shop.
It seems to me that since he is a Dart WD, that he would try to trash talk a competing block.
See link below for pictures of the block.
http://www.pbm-erson.com/store.php?catId=754
It seems to me that since he is a Dart WD, that he would try to trash talk a competing block.
See link below for pictures of the block.
http://www.pbm-erson.com/store.php?catId=754
tom
Originally Posted by new engine builder
I think "shorty the pimp" may just be Engine Parts Warehouse and I don't mean EPW.
ShortyThePimp wrote:
It is funny that in the begining Carl (CNC BLOCKS) states that he has a PBM block in the shop. And then a in a later post he says he has not yet had the PBM block in his shop.
It seems to me that since he is a Dart WD, that he would try to trash talk a competing block.
See link below for pictures of the block.
http://www.pbm-erson.com/store.php?catId=754
This kind of nonsense does not belong on this forum. So keep it to yourself. Carl is researching a product to let us and consumers know about the quality of said product. PERIOD!
It is funny that in the begining Carl (CNC BLOCKS) states that he has a PBM block in the shop. And then a in a later post he says he has not yet had the PBM block in his shop.
It seems to me that since he is a Dart WD, that he would try to trash talk a competing block.
See link below for pictures of the block.
http://www.pbm-erson.com/store.php?catId=754
This kind of nonsense does not belong on this forum. So keep it to yourself. Carl is researching a product to let us and consumers know about the quality of said product. PERIOD!
Originally Posted by littleben
I think it is curious that a couple guys come on this thread and hammer carl, or someone else and stick up for PBM, but these guys are new to the forum, obviously here to support pbm, nothing wrong with that, but they really are not in tune with the straight shooting nature of speedtalk.. There is not much bs here, and if you post bs, you will likely be called on it. I read this forum a lot, I post a little, cause the stuff I see here is good and not commercially orientated in anyway,, I only post when I feel like I can add somthing to conversation... Whatever the whole story is about the block that carl is working on, it will be told here and told honestly..
Originally Posted by af2
He said it might be and that was all!!
We will find out soon enough.
Why would you name you're self shorty in the first place???
We will find out soon enough.
Why would you name you're self shorty in the first place???
Originally Posted by k-star
I hate to say this but the PBM picture, and the picture that Carl posted look like twin blocks. Look at the web between the freeze plugs and the fact that the by-pass hole is missing in both pictures.
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Originally Posted by Muenk
I don't know why people even question the credibility of Carl....?
I've had the opportunity to only speak with him once on the phone (doubt he remembers).. He was probably one of the most knowledgeable people I have EVER spoke with...
Being my father ran a machine shop for 20+ years and worked for companies such as lockheed martin, Boeing, the NAVY, and 100's of other high quality companies (Who have amazing quality standards),... I believe what Carl says.
I have also worked for a company that made latches (the door handles, glove box latches, and center console) for EVERY car company out there.. So I've seen a part for any car that anyone has owned recently.. I take pride in people like Carl. I don't get why people question what he does. It makes no sense... That's all I have to say..
I've had the opportunity to only speak with him once on the phone (doubt he remembers).. He was probably one of the most knowledgeable people I have EVER spoke with...
Being my father ran a machine shop for 20+ years and worked for companies such as lockheed martin, Boeing, the NAVY, and 100's of other high quality companies (Who have amazing quality standards),... I believe what Carl says.
I have also worked for a company that made latches (the door handles, glove box latches, and center console) for EVERY car company out there.. So I've seen a part for any car that anyone has owned recently.. I take pride in people like Carl. I don't get why people question what he does. It makes no sense... That's all I have to say..
Originally Posted by 3V Performance
I used to work side by each with a guy named Carl from up there, could this be same Carl or an overseas cheap copy? :hello2:
Sorry Carl couldn't resist. You guy's will never have anything to worry about when Carl is looking into a subject matter. He takes his work very serious and has a ton of pride on what he sells and don't sell. If it's junk he will call it junk, if it's good he will call it good and recommend it and offer it.
Keep up the good work detective Carl.
Sorry Carl couldn't resist. You guy's will never have anything to worry about when Carl is looking into a subject matter. He takes his work very serious and has a ton of pride on what he sells and don't sell. If it's junk he will call it junk, if it's good he will call it good and recommend it and offer it.
Keep up the good work detective Carl.
Originally Posted by Mark O'Neal
I've only spoken to Carl once or twice. I seriously doubt he'll lose any sleep over what anyone thinks of him .
But, since he's probably the first person I've noted that actually digs into the subject instead of repeating what they "heard", I think I'll just keep reading what he posts.
There's no reason to bash anyone....it's just data.
But, since he's probably the first person I've noted that actually digs into the subject instead of repeating what they "heard", I think I'll just keep reading what he posts.
There's no reason to bash anyone....it's just data.
Originally Posted by Wolfplace
Originally Posted by ShortyThePimp
It is funny that in the begining Carl (CNC BLOCKS) states that he has a PBM block in the shop. And then a in a later post he says he has not yet had the PBM block in his shop.
It seems to me that since he is a Dart WD, that he would try to trash talk a competing block.
See link below for pictures of the block.
http://www.pbm-erson.com/store.php?catId=754
It seems to me that since he is a Dart WD, that he would try to trash talk a competing block.
See link below for pictures of the block.
http://www.pbm-erson.com/store.php?catId=754
I see you got no where here so you decided to post in the advanced section with your crap too :roll:
You need to do a bit of research before you run off at the mouth about someone & make a complete fool of yourself,,,,
Carl never said he had a PBM block
You might not like the presentation but Carl is a no BS guy & he will call it as he sees it
Doesn't make a bit of difference if it is Dart or a Chinese POS copy if Carl sees a problem he is not shy about bringing it to task
He found a problem with the Dart SHP a while back which was resolved primarily because of Carl's bulldog approach although props must go to Mr. Maskin & the Dart gang for attending to it in a timely manner too, not all companies are going to bother.
Now what do you suppose will happen to any QC problems on this or these Chinese blocks when there are issues?
You think they give a rats ass about their product as long as there are guys like you who are willing to buy it because it is cheap?
As far as the PBM block I don't have a clue if it is the same casting,, but the one post from the PBM representative certainly begs a few clarifications
It would be nice if the questions directed to him were answered.
Originally Posted by n2omike
Originally Posted by nwhp
I don't have a problem with Carl reporting facts, but when he drags other peoples names thru the mud without having "facts" to backup his insinuations I think he goes to far.
Carl has stated that he "believes PBM is selling them under their name too" and that "Wheeler down in Florida is machining them for PBM".
Carl doesn't have any facts to backup these statements.
Carl has stated that he "believes PBM is selling them under their name too" and that "Wheeler down in Florida is machining them for PBM".
Carl doesn't have any facts to backup these statements.
NWHP, you've come to the WRONG place to start drama about Carl. He's well respected, and you are presenting yourself as some sort of drama queen. Carl will report his findings in due time. If you are intelligent, you will wait for him to report his findings before spewing out your own drama and hearsay.
People here don't get caught up in adolescent-like behavior.
my $0.02
Originally Posted by 21boyzracing
I'm new to this forum....Have visited the site off and on for more than a year but never said a word until now.
Things are pushed onto unaware consumers all the time by silver tongue marketing types who want nothing more than to rid people of their hard earned money. In my opinion, CNC should be applauded by every person visiting this site. Why? Because in the end, Lunch-pail Joes (LPJs) like me will hear from the silver tongued salesmen, magazines, other racers and NOT the pros like we are hearing from here. Yes, the buyer should always beware but when these things are out in the market place like Keith said and being polished by greedy marketing types who knows who will greedy and start pushing these things. If it happens, there will be a lot of suffering by LPJs like me and that stinks. There are tons of performance parts in the market today outsourced from outside our boarders that we know are crap but you've got to be pretty far upstream to know when reputable companies are shading your eyes. Without some inside knowledge general consumers (like me) will be nothing more than bird bait to these greedy types. It scares the hell out of me!
Sorry, I know I'm a newbie but I had to say something here because I hate where this road could take us.
Things are pushed onto unaware consumers all the time by silver tongue marketing types who want nothing more than to rid people of their hard earned money. In my opinion, CNC should be applauded by every person visiting this site. Why? Because in the end, Lunch-pail Joes (LPJs) like me will hear from the silver tongued salesmen, magazines, other racers and NOT the pros like we are hearing from here. Yes, the buyer should always beware but when these things are out in the market place like Keith said and being polished by greedy marketing types who knows who will greedy and start pushing these things. If it happens, there will be a lot of suffering by LPJs like me and that stinks. There are tons of performance parts in the market today outsourced from outside our boarders that we know are crap but you've got to be pretty far upstream to know when reputable companies are shading your eyes. Without some inside knowledge general consumers (like me) will be nothing more than bird bait to these greedy types. It scares the hell out of me!
Sorry, I know I'm a newbie but I had to say something here because I hate where this road could take us.
I am a WD for Dart and even posted about a problem with their SHP block which shocked alot of people but Dick Maskins is a stand up guy and the problem was resolved the next day.
I have posted problems about many machine shop issues and block issues over the years.
08-22-2009, 02:14 PM
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Here is an interesting quote from the yellow bullet forum look at the last paragraph HMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Here is the link http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh....php?p=2647109
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Here is the link http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh....php?p=2647109
QUOTE=ERV JR;2647506]Ok well I called procomp and I would like to say sorry to the guy who started the thread. They do make a block, he said its a rough bore I think he said a 4.100 but not sure, so its needs to be bored. I questioned the quailty and of course he said it was good. he also said that whe they first came out they had a few places take them from them while @PRI and the shops had them checked and they were fine. he told me to do a search online and i could find out alot about them, I told him I had and that the resultsfrom the searches werent good.I questioned the quailty of a few more products like their 400gph billiet pump and asked if they sol rebuild kits or seals, he said no but they are the same as a grant so order those. I then told him grant wont sell parts. He asked me why I was even calling to ask about there products if i had so many doubts. Simple i said the price is good and i want to know what they are all about. He did adamit that the heads or he said the older cast heads were poor but he now says that they are alot better now.
Also he said that PBM and one other company who I cant remember are actually using or resaling the Procomp block and doing the finish bore. he offered to let me look at one of there blocks, he said just give him 30 min notice so he could pull one and open the crate. I may just take a 30 min drive to see what the hell he has
Also he said that PBM and one other company who I cant remember are actually using or resaling the Procomp block and doing the finish bore. he offered to let me look at one of there blocks, he said just give him 30 min notice so he could pull one and open the crate. I may just take a 30 min drive to see what the hell he has
08-22-2009, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by boostaddict
No bashing here? Then how come you don't delete this whole thread? The whole reason Hink started this thread was to bash PBM about a block he hasn't even seen yet?
I got a question for you.Why did you sign in here with another name?
You did post under another name in this thread right? jp
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